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Let’s Re-Read Breaking Dawn Together! Book Two:Jacob Chapter 8

98 Comments October 11, 2011 by Filed Under: Breaking Dawn Book

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Every Tuesday & Friday, I’ll post a breakdown for each chapter in the book, counting down the days until the official release of the film on November 18th. Let’s get started, dig out your copy of Breaking Dawn, read the chapters together with us, and discuss anything you may find of interest that you might have missed the first or twentieth time around. Let’s continue our journey into FOREVER.

Book Two: Jacob

Chapter 8: Waiting for The Damn Fight to Start Already

 “We’re not going to break the treaty. Let them make the breach. Just because we had no proof that the Cullens had done anything wrong. Yet. You had to add the yet, because we all knew it was inevitable. Bella was either coming back one of them, or not coming back.”

 It’s hard to believe that we’ve already finished Book One: Bella and have moved on to Jake. This 8th chapter is a tricky one to break down so bear with me. The majority of the chapter is basically Jacob’s thought and ramblings, however he does give us so much information about everyone in La Push and even get’s us up to date on the latest imprinting.

Pg. 145-149  The chapter starts with Jacob and Paul chilling on the couch at the Blacks’ house. Jacob is super annoyed that Paul is eating up all the Doritos. Paul tells Jake that Rachel, (Jacob’s sister) told Paul to help himself to anything he wishes. This is where we find out that over summer break, that Paul imprinted on Rachel Black and they are now an item. Jake continues to make himself miserable by going over several ways that the news would be delivered to La Push and Forks about Bella’s homecoming…or not. He envisioned a plane crash, or the Cullen home being burned to the ground with all the bodies trapped inside, or a car crash like his mother had been in. Jake even goes as far as to wonder if Bella would have an open or a closed casket.

Pg. 151-155 After Jacob has had enough of his daily morbid day dreams he decides to go down to the beach and there he runs into Quil Ateara and his imprintee a surprisingly three-year-old Claire. Jacob and Quil talk as Quil plays with his three-year-old girlfriend so to speak, and Jacob wonders how Quil can take being a punching bag for the child and why he doesn’t date someone his age. Quil tells Jacob that he doesn’t even notice other girls…they don’t have faces. Quil then counteracts Jake and asks why hasn’t Jake dated anyone lol. Jake replies the same and says he doesn’t see girls’ faces as well.  *Sidebar-do you think the imprinting has them designed that way? To be blind to everyone until they are ready to imprint? I’ve listened to your theories about Jacob being drawn to Bella’s eggs that’s why he was so crazy about her, lol. But that may not be so far-fetched.

Pg. 158-163 This chapter closes with an amazing ending. The entire pack has met up in the woods in their wolf-form to discuss some astonishing news.  “We need to talk. Something’s happened.”  I felt Sam’s thoughts flicker through me-and not just Sam’s but Seth’s and Collin’s and Brady’s as well. I didn’t know why Seth was already out here, and in the know. It wasn’t his turn. “Seth, tell them what you heard.”  “Charlie called around till he found Billy at my house.” I felt a jolt go through me as Seth thought Charlie’s name. This was it. The waiting was over. Which story would it be? “So he’s all flipped out. Guess Edward and Bella got home last week and…”  My chest eased up. She was alive. Or she wasn’t dead dead, at least. I’d hadn’t realized how much difference it would make to me. I’d been thinking of her as dead this whole time, and I only saw that now. I saw that I’d never believed that he would bring her back alive. It shouldn’t matter, because I knew what was coming next. “Yeah bro, and here’s the bad news. Charlie talked to her, said she sounded bad. She told him she’s sick. Carlisle got on and told Charlie that Bella picked up some rare disease in South America. Said she’s quarantined. Charlie’s going crazy, ‘cause even he’s not allowed to see her. He says he doesn’t care if he gets sick, but Carlisle wouldn’t bend. No visitors. Told Charlie it was pretty serious, but that he’s doing everything he can.”  The mental silence when Seth finished was profound. We all understood. So she would die of this disease, as far as Charlie knew. Would they let him view the corpse? The pale, perfectly still, unbreathing white body? Would they bury her? Would she dig herself out, or would the bloodsuckers come for her? I wondered why I was the only one on my feet. My fur stood up on my shoulders, bristling with impatience. “Well, what are we waiting for?” I asked. No one said anything, but I heard their feelings of hesitation. “Oh, come on! The treaty’s broken!” “We have no proof-maybe she is sick.” “OH, PLEASE!” “Okay the circumstantial evidence is pretty strong. Still…Jacob.” Sam’s thoughts came slow, hesitant. “Are you sure this is what you want? Is it really the right thing? We all know what she wanted.” “The treaty doesn’t mention anything about victim preferences, Sam!” “Is she really a victim? Would you label her that way?” “Yes!” “Jake.” Seth thought, “They aren’t our enemies.” “Shut up kid! Just ‘cause you’ve got some kind of sick hero worship thing going on with that bloodsucker, it doesn’t change the law. They are our enemies. They are in our territory. We take them out. I don’t care if you had fun fighting alongside Edward Cullen once upon a time.”    *Sidebar-wow and I’m supposed to cut Jacob Black some slack? His attitude is disgusting. Even his pack is trying to reason with him and he won’t budge…real nice Jake. And I’m sooooo happy that Seth Clearwater is about to give Jacob the business.    “So what are you going to do when Bella fights with them, Jacob? Huh?” Seth demanded. “She’s not Bella anymore.” “You gonna be the one to take her down?”  I couldn’t stop myself from wincing. “No, you’re not. So what? You gonna make one of us do it? And then hold a grudge against whoever it is forever?” “I wouldn’t…” “Sure you won’t. You’re not ready for this fight, Jacob.”  Instinct took over and I crouched forward, snarling at the gangly sand-colored wolf across the circle. “Jacob!” Sam cautioned. “Seth, shut up for a second. We’ve decided nothing yet.” I growled. “Jacob, I have to think about what’s best for this pack. I have to choose the course that protects you all best. I honestly don’t believe the Cullens are a danger to us. And we know that they will not be here much longer. Surely once they’ve told their story, they will disappear. Our lives can return to normal.” “Normal?” “If we challenge them, Jacob they will defend themselves well.” “Are you afraid?” “Are you so ready to loose a brother? He paused. “Or a sister?” “I’m not afraid to die.” “I know that, Jacob. It’s one reason I question your judgment on this.” I stared into his black eyes. “Do you intend to honor our fathers treaty or not?” “I honor my pack.  I do what’s best for them.” “Coward.” His muzzle tensed, pulling back over his teeth. “Enough, Jacob. You’re overruled. This pack is not attacking the Cullen’s without provocation. They are not a danger to our people, nor are they a danger to the people of Forks. Bella Swan made an informed choice and we are not going to punish our former allies for her choice. Jacob where do you think you’re going?”   I left the circle, moving toward the west so that I could turn my back on him. “I’m going to tell my father goodbye. Apparently there was no purpose in my sticking around this long.” “Aw, Jake-don’t do that again!” “Shut up, Seth.” Several voices thought together. “We don’t want you to leave.” Sam told me, his thought softer than before. “So force me to stay, Sam. Take away my will. Make me a slave.” “You know I won’t do that.” “Then there’s nothing more to say.”  I ran away from them, trying very hard not to think about what was next. I’d done it. I’d hidden what I was thinking and now it was too late for Sam to stop me. He couldn’t hear me now. Sam had made a very clear ruling. The pack would not attack the Cullens. Okay. He hadn’t mentioned an individual acting alone. Nope, the pack wasn’t attacking anyone today. But I was.

*Wow!!! Now that was exciting!! So what do you think of Jacob and his crazy temper? I get he is hurting over Bella but why is he being so irrational? He knew this was coming! Why is he so angry? It’s no shock Bella would someday become a vampire…possibly. Come on I need everyone’s theories lol. And what a great leader this Sam Uley. I tend to forget about him, but he is truly a great leader, he recognizes the tradition but also knows when to pick and choose his battles…for now anyway.

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  • Anonymous

    Jacob, really didn’t have any right to complain about Leah, when he is guilty of the very same thing as Leah, he obcessed over Bella the same way.

  • Anonymous

    I love Seth too, who couldn’t love someone who likes Edward. I realley love it when Seth tells Edward that he was glad that everything worked out for  him and Bella and how Seth stands by Edward and the Cullens in there time of need.

  • EdwardsNana

    This chapter is interesting, the curves and turns.  Really, think about it.  Seth is such an important part of this story.  We get a little blind sided with our marvelous trio of Edward, Bella & Jacob.  But good old Seth is usually right there in the middle of things.  Even though he is very young, he sometimes shows better wisdom than is elder’s, especially Jacob. 
     Edward is already aware of how pure Seth’s heart is. 
    I was not able to re-read but I did listen to my audio of this chapter.  The voice of Jacob on the Breaking Dawn audio book  is really good and his humorous lines are very funny.  
    Jacob has never been one of my favorites, even though I know he is essential to the whole story.  But my feelings towards Jacob turn totally with deep respect, in “Breaking Dawn.”  Obviously I am not in Jacobs fan club yet, as he is still acting like a total jerk………..but a few more chapters, and I make a little room in my heart.   Maybe a ventricle………..as my heart belongs to Edward….

  • EdwardsNana

    Will, I am blown away…………….you absolutely made my day……thank you so much.

  • EdwardsNana

    Wow LaurelLeaf, you may be the first to write, and you did warm up the burners.  I love what you wrote.  But I always do.

  • EdwardsNana

    You got that right TEB4E. 

  • EdwardsNana

    Hi Miranda! 

  • EdwardsNana

    Hi DA!  Good to see you here.  I finally made it, but I missed everyone today.

  • EdwardsNana

    Nice comment annalee.

  • EdwardsNana

    Hey LG, maybe we have to go hunt to keep our status : )

  • MirandaThewolfgirl2010

    hola abuela its a bit late here but i came by to say hi and that ive been busy writing some edward and bella stories one is where they ice skate the other is when they play some sex games in the cottage ssshhhh top secret

  • EdwardsNana

    Hey TEN4E, I think we have to hunt in order to keep our certified vampire status.  : )

  • MirandaThewolfgirl2010

    im team vampire and yet im named after wolves

  • EdwardsNana

    Ditto TAD2M………………… Will does ROCK!!!

  • EdwardsNana

    Hi LG!!!

  • EdwardsNana

    You didn’t get carried away J4V, loved what you wrote.

  • EdwardsNana

    Hey TH!  Just got here, must find your comment.  Always love them.

  • MirandaThewolfgirl2010

    u got to show the dog some love sooner or later and about seth hes just so adorable how can anyone not like him as edward puts it “ur lucky to share his thoughts he has the kindest, sincerest and selfless minds ive ever heard” cant wait to see ed and seth as bff’s

  • EdwardsNana

    Wow TH, you did it again……….awesome!!!!

  • MirandaThewolfgirl2010

    seths a goodlittle boy who deserves a box of treats :)

  • EdwardsNana

    Well said, mygrlzo, well said, what you said about Seth.  He is a sweetheart.

  • MirandaThewolfgirl2010

    couldnt have said it better meself

  • ifonly2011

    Firstly I loved having the story told from Jacob’s pov. Having never been a particular Jacob fan (he annoyed me beyond belief in eclipse) I found myself warming to his character more and more during bd especially after his book. He finally grows up by the end of this book and although he’ll never match Edward in terms of maturity I couldn’t help but feel for him during this chapter! He reminds me of a spoilt kid not getting his own way so stomping off, but I admire his bravery, he’s going to attack on his own even though it will end badly for him…..silly boy!
    As for the whole imprinting thing…..I don’t actually like it that much. Having your choice taken away from you seems unfair. I like to think that Jacob fell for Bella for her, not her eggs or what was to come….

  • Kenzersmom

    I think that he is so mad that the realization has hit.  He could fool himself into thinking it wouldn’t happen, but when it comes full force to you that it IS going to happen you just freak out!   Sam is good here trying to talk reason he isn’t reasonable in a couple of chapters though so i don’t know how to rate him.   He does do a 180!!

  • LaurelLeaf

    Hey, TeamEdward_Bella4ever!  Yes, I always thought that, too!  Jacob sounds exactly like Leah…spreading all that misery around for the entire pack to suffer with…not that they can escape anyone’s thoughts when they are wolves.  I sort of hoped J & L would get together since they had so much in common…wouldn’t it be funny if cranky Leah falls for one of Jacob and Renesmee’s offspring??    She would have no choice and would suddenly be tied to the bloodsuckers she hates!  And by the way, Emmett and Jasper ought to bet how soon Leah blabs to Nessie about Jakes’s lip lock with her mother.  Won’t that be an awful scenario?  Just sort of the spiteful action Leah would do.

    I’ve often wondered if Jake and Nessie will have two children, like what Bella ‘saw’ while shamefully kissing him.  I’ve also wondered if, when Bella said in Eclipse, she felt like she couldn’t understand what she was doing (why am I sucking face with Jacob??) if it was that part of her (are eggs really this smart??) taking over.  I know, this is really a stretch, but so is being attracted to a future mate while they are still an ovary.  Snort!

  • guest

    @annalee  I just come here & read, but this is the first time where someone seems to understand what Jacob was going  through.  I have some things in my life that are like Jacobs.  You live with it. and years have passed but I remember.  Twilight was my escape. Edward and Bella a dream of what would be magic in anybody’s life.  Everything you say about Jacob not having a choice, often life is like that, but I had hoped in the end he too would have a happy life. the evil vampires were gone and the reason the wolfpack existed was because of them so now they too could go back to being human, the people they used to be.  the animal instinct and behavior that were the wolves nature would disappear.  Cullens could give money to Jacob, he takes care of Billy who now has Sue Clearwater and he goes out into the real world, to college, to meet other people.  But instead he gets a “drug” named Renessmee (and the ones imprinted on don’t get a choice either.  But now like a drug addict he lives for her, he thinks about her, his life will revolve only around her, nothing else matters.  No time to leave because being separated would be like withdrawal.  Same for her, but she didn’t have the pain the sacrifices like him.  No mother, disabled father, poor, he wasn’t just there because of the baby, he was there to protect Bella when Edward wasn’t there;  everyone says she kissed him to save him; true.  but how many times did he save her.  he was a boy, she already was a woman and Edward was a man.  Edward and Bella is good, but Jacob is good and will never know what falling in love is and having someone loving him back, just the world chosen for him and like a drug addict not knowing what he missed.  It is sad. and people who hate him because he was young, he loved the wrong person, and he was used to get what they wanted.  Just a story.  beautiful love of Edward and Bella.  Jacob it is sort of tragic better to not think about him or make him bad.  easier to think about him that way.  but people like me can’t ignore him, we know inside the fear, being alone, the worry for others and knowing that to the world we are only shadows.  They let me use the computer here where I work sometimes, and sometime a friend let’s me use hers.  someday when I get a computer I will write.  now I use a journal.  I like the actors. Robert is a man. Kristen is beautiful. Taylor the boy/man.  I like seeing them when not playing the story characters.  thank you.

  • Twiheart

    Hi ifonly (like your name…ifonly we all could have guys like our Edward, lol.  Not sure if that was the intent of the name, but like it).     I agree with what you say here.  I empathize with Jacob and understand his emotions, whether immature or not.  He’s been through a lot.   Love can do strange things to people of all ages.

    Like you (and we may be in the minority here), I don’t put any connotation to Jacob’s bond with Bella due to her eggs (which egg, there are hundreds of thousands).   He was drawn to her when they first met, even though he was much younger, but as he neared the confusing beginnings of transformation, he aged tremendously fast and except for some teen-age angst that crept in now and then, was basically of equal age to Bella (I mean, really, as if Bella never had moments of immature actions, words or decisions?). Jacob truly loved this girl (and probably would have loved her without ovaries). 

    I think after the marriage he understood that Bella could never be his in that way; he had never imprinted on her so his love became more friendship and part protector (once he got past the rage-I’m-gonna-go-kill-me-some-Cullens stage).   Recall, that as Bella’s pregnancy progressed, it was SHE that was drawn to and needed Jacob.  Jake couldn’t understand the huge smiles that greeted him whenever he saw her, and her always wanting him around, when she was married to the one she truly loved.   There was definately a paranormal attraction between the two, at least Renesmee and him, but I don’t think it was the imprinting.   Not until Jacob looked into the eyes of newborn Renessme and knew he was lost.

    Fortunately, imprinting is part of the fantasy, although in reality, we often have similar ties of the heart if we are lucky enough to find reciprocal passionate, enduring love.  My only consolation with this fantasy concept is that when the human/wolf imprints on someone, choice is of little concern because of the happiness that fills the imprintor.  My only concern is if the imprintee doesn’t reciprocate that feeling, but apparantly the feeling becomes mutual.   And what happens if the imprintor loses through death his imprintee? Will he walk the earth alone and despondent. Let’s hope not.       Anyway, I love that we have so many varied opinions.  That’s what makes the re-read interesting.

  • ifonly2011

    Hey Twiheart! That’s exactly what it means LOL that and if only it was true *sigh*
    You write so much better than I do and express yourself really well honey!! Love does do strange things to people, things that sometimes don’t make any sense and sometimes things that you would never have expected! It’s the beauty of being human :)
    I would have been happy for Jacob to have imprinted on any old girl, it wouldn’t have meant his feelings for Bella pre imprinting were less valid. The fact it ends up being Bella’s daughter is irrelevant to me (although it does make for a happy ending!!)
    I too remember Bella needing Jacob around whilst she was pregnant. Maybe it was a security thing? She knows Jacob will do anything for her and with everyone (except Rosalie) being at logger heads with her she sees Jacob as her ally? Maybe…who knows!!
    When SM describes Paul imprinting on Rachel it just seems too convienent! And  did Rachel have a choice? The whole idea to me is just odd! But that’s a really interesting point about losing the imprintee….I would hope it could happen again, otherwise that’s quite sad :( I believe in my husband I met my soul mate (there is def some force that keeps us together thro’ bad times LOL) but if I lost him would that be it for me?? Ummm not something I can answer right now….

  • Twiheart

    I certainly don’t write better than you, Ifonly. I like what you say and how you say it.  

    Even though I don’t believe Jacob imprinted on Bella’s ova, there was a supernatural tie to the child Bella was carrying, because once Renesmee was removed from Bella and taken away, Jacob felt no more bond with Bella (perceiving her dead), and felt only grief at the loss of his love, his friend, not understanding that what drew him away from Bella (while poor Edward was desparately trying to save her life), was the the draw/bond of the baby.  Jacob left Bella with intent to kill the baby, so he wasn’t aware of what his feelings for her would be, or why he was drawn in her direction, until he looked into her chocolate brown “Bella” eyes, and immediately imprinted.  It was as if there were a reverse imprinting, Renesmee drawing Jacob to her while in utero and after birth.    

    In any case, I’m glad there was a someone for Jacob, and I think I’m getting waaaaay ahead of our chapter readings, lol.  

  • Twiheart

    Thank you guest for standing up for our Jacob.   At 16 and 17, what do we expect, after all.  You brought up some good points.  

    As long as the Cullens live in Forks, however, there will be at least Sam that will remain a shape-shifter.  He was the first to change, when the Cullens came to the area.  It wasn’t until Victoria, James and Laurent that the other boys and Jacob changed, and when the “newborns” came, Seth and Leah changed.   Now that all the bad vampires have left (and apparantly it doesn’t matter if the vamps are good or evil), will Jacob and the rest (except for Sam) become totally human and begin to age again?    How will that work, an aging Jacob imprinted on fast growing Renesmee, but Renesmee will stop growing at the physical age of 17 and remain that age forever?  If the shape-shifter becomes human and ages, does that release the binding limitations of imprinting?    Interesting.  But then Stephenie Meyer, again, left a lot for our imagination.

  • jite4vanquish

    okay another one who can’t stay on this chapter…..join the club, TH!

  • jite4vanquish

    you must have overloaded it……LOL.

  • Twiheart

    haha, how true, especially when you need to draw from later chapters something to prove a point, but it will all be rehashed again.     Guess it’s hard to tie us Twihards down to one chapter, isn’t it Jite4.

  • Twiheart

    Haha, LaurelLeaf, love your comments.  So funny and great mental pictures you draw.   Good points, too.  Thanks for the chuckle.    Also always good to see you on the re-reads.

  • Anonymous

    Hi LaurelLeaf, I also thought Jake and Leah might get together too, but that thought was quickly shot down. It seemed to be a good match, both angry over unrequited love. That would be something if Leah was bonded to the Cullens through marriage, but if she imprinted she would lose her hatred for vampires and like Jacob did, and finally see them as friends/family.

  • Anonymous

    But, I’ve been hunting all day and now I’m feeling all bloated. I fed way to much. So does that mean I get my certified vampire status back. LOL

  • Anonymous

    Hi EdwardsNana, Jacob does redeem himself later, then I give him a little credit, but not while he’s acting like a liitle jerk wolf pup. Did you see the new TV spot it looks good, it has Jacob admiting that he’s sees the Cullen finally as a family, like the one he was born into.

  • Anonymous

    I have a hard time with it too.

  • EdwardsNana

    Hi TEB4E!!!  Love it……….”jerk wolf pup”  you come up with the funniest things to call Jacob.  I gotta see this TV spot.  I thought I did.  I am going to look at it again….I have been numb since the announcements of the cast going to the convention…….  Thank you. 

  • ifonly2011

    It’s impoosible not to jump ahead! It’s all the passion we have these books….we just wanna keep on reading :)

  • ifonly2011

    Nice post :)

  • Anonymous

    I am Team Jacob but I must agree with you on him being unreasonable on this. He did know & that was wy he cae to the wedding to say goodbye. I jus don’t think he thought about how he would really feel when reality set in. I also think Sam was right Bella made her choice. Is Bella really all that? Jacob wanted to hurt something & i also think deep down he was wrong & once he got to The Cullens he would do anything lol

  • Anonymous

    Just think yoou’ll get to see Kristen and Rob in person, that will be so cool.

  • Anonymous

    I think most of us can’t stop from reading ahead.

  • Anonymous

    Enjoyed hearing your POV.

  • LaurelLeaf

    Yes, I’m glad you pointed out that it was when Jacob was on the verge of changing to a shapeshifting werewolf (probably hastened on by Mike Newton’s presence at the movies) that Jacob started getting possessive, angry, dark and dangerous.  Bella doesn’t care much for the dark Jacob.  She is glad that her friend is back later in the book–even if she wants to rip his head off for imprinting with Nessie.  The imprinting lifts the madness he has for Bella and these two can be free to be just friends again.

  • Anonymous

    Ok, so the last few times I’ve read BD, I’ll admit I completely skipped over Jacob’s book  . . . *shrugs*
    So there are so many things I’d forgot about . . . Paul imprinted on Jacob’s sister, lol.  I bet they change that in the movie.
    This chapter is mostly about Jacob’s obsessive inner monologue (heehee) & he goes off to fight on his own.  (I’d forgot that too) 

  • Rosmaria

    Jacob falling in love with Bella because he will imprint on her baby (who was not even a thought when he fell in love) is one of the most asinine things I have ever heard of.  Stephenie Meyer ruined the Twilight Saga because she refused to rewrite her last book after she changed her plot mid-stream with New Moon and Eclipse.  Jacob was treated very badly by Bella, but still risked his life time and time again to protect her.  He also did everything humanly possible to get her to choose life over death – which is what SM implied Bella should do in Eclipse.  In my opinion, Jacob was the best character in the saga and deserved much better than to be labeled by man as a pedophile thanks to SM’s contrived happy ending.  I, for one, think the ending was tragic.  Edward Cullen died when he was 17.  That is sad, but a fact.  Jacob Black was a living human whose life was made miserable by the end of the Twilight Saga.  He would never have imprinted on Bella’s child who happens to be 1/2 vamprie.  Ridiculous! 

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